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I am the proud owner of two Inspire V1 Pros. I mainly use them for geological, geomorphological, and vegetation mapping. i have a really nice NIR camera and I'm getting great imagery, with some hassles due to the use of old software. Therein lies my problem: Inspires like mine haven't been supported for a long time now. Replacement parts like props and batteries are getting pricier and pricier. My department is considering a new research-grade drone and a bunch of questions have come up. I'm wondering if y'all can answer any of them.

1. Should we drop DJI and find another drone company that won't be under attack like TikTok? If so, what other drone makers are out there that are even close to DJIs price point?
2. Does anyone make a drone that still uses the Zenmuse camera and mount?
3. What are the current drone models out there, other than the DJI Inspire 3, that folks are using for terrain and vegetation mapping (fully automated flight that is reliable)?

I'm still very much going to keep my Inspires going until they die, but it's getting to a point where I am the only person in my department can use them because they've become so finnicky.

Thanks for any help you can offer!
Tom
 
Yet, you can easily maintain your inspire 1, don't give up! Only thing could be a legal issue as in EU the drones without class certification by the manufacturer (old drones) are automatically considered C4 class and thus some limitations on where and how can use it. But this is solvable with getting some additional licenses. Don't know how it is in US about that.
Soo the maintenance...
1. Batteries. I'm buying cell packs from ebay and replacing the old ones, it takes about 30-40 min do do that. Then a few charges and discharges to train the battery. Works pretty well and flight times are like new battery as it probably is.
2. Props. I have switched to different mounts and T-Motor Carbon Fibre props, they are amazing quality and for the last 8 years I have changed only one prop due to hitting a branch and despite the rumors that carbon props are shattering on impact mine at first place cut the branch entirely and secondly the prop had its upper and lower plates split apart at the place of inpact but still togather at one piece, this didn't stop me from doing 3 more flights as I didn't had a spare at the moment.
3. Controls app. We are using Crystal Sky's and they are fixed non upgradable any more and working great for what they are. The very bright screen, rugged design and the use of external battery that lasts 4 hours of non stop use is simply unbeatable by any tablet or phone.
4. The inspire is so cheap those days so we simply bought another one for parts or backup drone in case of crash or failure.

I've noticed that the weakest parts are the motor mounts/legs, their mounting points where the bolts are are getting some wear and cracs in the plastic trough the time, especially if there is heavy use like the Inspire is flown in severe weather with a lot of turbulence or simply at full speed and doing rapid maneuvering. So a few years ago I have replaced those and bought spare plastic legs with antennas for any case.

The inspire 3 is not for mapping, you can't run any mapping app so far on it's controller. You can do manual photos but if this is your main job better look for some of the Enterprice Mavics or M300/30. I've seen very good results out of Mavic RTK.

Sorry but can't recommend any other company as I don't have experience with other than DJI and DIY drones.
 
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I switched over to the DJI Matrice 200/210 series dual camera great power battery life. There are some adaptors out there that adapt I1 cameras to 12 (matrice uses same in most cases I have not tested). You will also find good value on the Matrice 200/210 about 1500USD to 2000 without camera payloads. Matrice have RTK options. Use CAdance and Crystal Sky components.
 

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I still love and use my old Inspire 1. The problem I have encountered is the assault on the 2.4Ghz frequency band. Modern drones utilize the 5Ghz band, which is much less occupied than its 2.4Ghz counterpart. As far as I can see, that is my Inspire's only shortcoming.

I have a cache of props, but haven't needed a prop in years. This, flying construction progress projects every week for the past 6 years.

I WAS able to purchased a brand new TB48 battery directly from DJI less than 2 years ago. Don't look for it on the DJI website. I had to go through DJI support to purchase it.

Just curious about your software woes. Can you go into more detail? For me, I am locked into older Go App versions that work flawlessly. I will concede that I have had issues with third-party software because they drop support randomly and without warning. It's quite maddening. Fortunately, I have an older legacy version of the third-party software I use, which requires zero third-party infrastructure (server) support. So it just works and will continue to work forever. So those companies are just going to have to suck a lemon. They're not getting my "subscription" to the "new version" of their software. I bought the original version. I own the original version. And will continue to use the original version until the drone dies. But I digress...

D
 
Hello all!
Thank you for the post and replies - interesting. It's so good to see that I'm still not a lone Inspire pilot trying to keep their birds aloft. Planned obsolescence is maddening when they can render perfectly good "stuff" obsolete when it doesn't have to be. I'm sorry - same rant. Anyway -
I had a question for Donny about using the "old" version of the DJI GO - I assume you have an Android that runs it? I ask because I ran into an issue where I bought a brand new iPad Air v4 and it would not work with DJI GO and my Inspire 1. It took a bit to figure out the issue, but the answer came directly from DJI- no more support for the A15 (or 16?) chip as they "need to keep moving their technology forward".
I found no work around for Apple using older apps on a newer device. IOS does not allow for using old apps without a 3rd party conveluted solution that may or may not work. That is what I found anyway, and I was just wondering if that indeed is the case, or if someone had found a way. I know Android is more forgiving about that with being able to side-load apps. I have an older Galaxy tablet that is not new enough so I'm stuck for now. Thank you again! Blaine
 
First, I want to thank all of you for all of your great input! It makes me more hopeful about extending the life our Inspires. A few direct comments:
@airblainer and @Donnie Frank the main software issue we have is with Map Pilot. Most of my drone use is fully automated flight-line stuff and I have found that I am pretty much stuck with MapPilotPro. If you are aware of another app that can do automated flights for mapping that works with the Inspire, I'm all ears!!
@niki your detailed reply is very helpful, particularly re. the batteries and props. Also, I like the idea of grabbing a used one for parts. Of course, we have two right now. Maybe I'll start consuming one of them for the other! I am totally unfamiliar with cell packs for the batteries. That is really interesting. What, specifically, are they? Do you have product numbers and install instructions?
 
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I had a question for Donny about using the "old" version of the DJI GO - I assume you have an Android that runs it?
No sir. iPads all the way. Understand that I'm no Apple fan boy. But when it comes to the DJI offering, the iPads are a rock solid platform. And when I say "rock solid," I mean ROCK SOLID.




I ask because I ran into an issue where I bought a brand new iPad Air v4 and it would not work with DJI GO and my Inspire 1.
<sigh>...yeah...the problem with the iPads is that they are built to disallow user control. You have to hack them. Things we take for granted in the Windows environment, like simply installing a program or legacy program, is quite difficult in the Apple environment. It's not for the faint of heart. But the rich reward is the Inspire becomes immortal.


It took a bit to figure out the issue, but the answer came directly from DJI- no more support for the A15 (or 16?) chip as they "need to keep moving their technology forward".
"No more support" is a very ambiguous term. I used Windows 7 YEARS past "no more support." And I continue to use my Inspire 1 years past "no more support." That phrase just means no more updates. The good news is that we don't need no steenkin' updates.




I found no work around for Apple using older apps on a newer device.
It's a hack - a flat-out hack. Rolling back the iOS is impossible, so what I did was purchase legacy iPads with legacy iOS's. I think my oldest iPad is running iOS 10. I NEVER update the iOS (there's a hack for that, too). With legacy iOS's come advantages, like configuration later versions don't allow.




IOS does not allow for using old apps without a 3rd party conveluted solution that may or may not work.
Well, like I said, it's a hack. If there are third-party "point-n-click" solutions, I'm unaware of them.




I know Android is more forgiving about that with being able to side-load apps. I have an older Galaxy tablet that is not new enough so I'm stuck for now. Thank you again! Blaine
I honestly am unfamiliar with the Android environment. I know enough to use it, but not to hack it.

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@airblainer and @Donnie Frank the main software issue we have is with Map Pilot.
MapPilot can suck my a**. I PURCHASED and PAID for their software just to be told a couple years later that it would no longer work unless I paid a monthly fee. F*** them. I can still use their unsupported version, but I have moved on.




Most of my drone use is fully automated flight-line stuff and I have found that I am pretty much stuck with MapPilotPro. If you are aware of another app that can do automated flights for mapping that works with the Inspire, I'm all ears!!
I used MapPilotPro with my P4P. I never used it with my Inspire 1. And these days I use UgCS with an M300. I use Autopilot for construction shoots (Inspire 1), but even that software has been abandoned by the mother company.



@niki your detailed reply is very helpful, particularly re. the batteries and props. Also, I like the idea of grabbing a used one for parts. Of course, we have two right now. Maybe I'll start consuming one of them for the other!
I have two fully functioning Inspire 1's, with a couple spares should I need them.



I am totally unfamiliar with cell packs for the batteries. That is really interesting. What, specifically, are they? Do you have product numbers and install instructions?
I don't understand the question.

D
 
I am totally unfamiliar with cell packs for the batteries. That is really interesting. What, specifically, are they?
I don't know their exact specs, somewhere on this forum was posted info about the original cells.

I'm buying those pre-assembled packs from ebay: TB48 6000mAh

I've seen posts of people geting them from aliexpress or similar sites too but my first purchase was from ebay and after saw the batteries are good I decided to buy the rest from the same seller. There are some people complaining about them but personally didn't had any issues with those I bought so far (4 packs). They are definitelly not 6000mAh, I did tests on every pack and they give something like 5300 mAh but the flying time they give is the same as new TB48.

The replacement is not difficult but it's always tricky to work with lipos, also need powerful soldering iron. There is some double sided foam and tape used by DJI for assembling the battery case also a temp wire/sensor that is glued inbetween the original cells. It's good to preserve the temp sensor and glue it with thermal paste inbetween the new cells so to have termal info on the battery. There are videos on youtube showing the disassembly of inspire batteries.

In short the process of replacement is to discharge the battery until it switch off by itself, then remove the white cap, disconnect the ballancing wires, disassemble the case, unsolder the main leads from the battery board. Then solder the wires to the new battery board, the new battery should be discharged as well prior installing (3.3v per cell), connect the ballancing wires, assemble the case, charge and discharge the battery at least 2 times/cycles so to get the board callibrated and that's it. Then I do a test with hoovering at 1m until the battery goes down to 10% and land, monitor the cells trough the app, if any cell start deviating too much or something else suspicious goes on abort the test and toss the battery pack.
 
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I am the proud owner of two Inspire V1 Pros. I mainly use them for geological, geomorphological, and vegetation mapping. i have a really nice NIR camera and I'm getting great imagery, with some hassles due to the use of old software. Therein lies my problem: Inspires like mine haven't been supported for a long time now. Replacement parts like props and batteries are getting pricier and pricier. My department is considering a new research-grade drone and a bunch of questions have come up. I'm wondering if y'all can answer any of them.

1. Should we drop DJI and find another drone company that won't be under attack like TikTok? If so, what other drone makers are out there that are even close to DJIs price point?
2. Does anyone make a drone that still uses the Zenmuse camera and mount?
3. What are the current drone models out there, other than the DJI Inspire 3, that folks are using for terrain and vegetation mapping (fully automated flight that is reliable)?

I'm still very much going to keep my Inspires going until they die, but it's getting to a point where I am the only person in my department can use them because they've become so finnicky.

Thanks for any help you can offer!
Tom
Go for a Matrice 210v2 or even the v1. You can find them used at good prices (eBay). This is a more rugged drone than the Inspire 1 and it takes X4S (great, mechanical shutter), X5S, XT... You can also integrate a Micasense for your multispectral work. You can contact me for advice if you want.
 
Go for a Matrice 210v2 or even the v1. You can find them used at good prices (eBay). This is a more rugged drone than the Inspire 1 and it takes X4S (great, mechanical shutter), X5S, XT... You can also integrate a Micasense for your multispectral work. You can contact me for advice if you want.
I am in agreement with the 210 V2 series for sure. The only issue to me is that acquisition times are faster on newer models. I use the Micasense Rededge MX paired with a 4S for ag but also have an M3M. Honestly, I reach for the M3M more often though because I can get the work done about 25% faster. Also, comparing results from both, the Rededge produces the same results as the M3M and since 99% of customers want NDVI, the M3M fits the bill. The Blue spectrum sensor on the Rededge makes it more powerful to me, but like I say, no need for the NDVI. I still use the Zenmuse XT 640R with that drone because I am totally satisfied with accuracy and quality. More than anything, I get great thermal maps on inspections with the 210/XT combo. X4S for mapping and X5S for beauty. I am just agreeing that the 210V2 is a totally underrated setup and available at a great price point. I bought my first one new. having had said that, I won't be buying any more of them. We have an Autel Max 4t because I love the Autel connection reliability. This is one of the drones for inspections. We have an M350 as well just to have access to current payloads like Lidar. We bought that with the H30T. I still prefer to use the XT for mapping though. To demonstrate how important time is, we use the DRTK-2 with the DJI drones just because setup is faster than our Emlid gear.
I signed in to this forum today because I do not have an I1 any more. One has come up for sale locally. I came here to be inspired (pun intended) to buy and have an I1 again. I have a few spare parts left over and can use all of the lenses that i have for my X5S used with the 210. I think the straw for me selling my last i1 was that I was using it for a power grid inspection one day. It just would not hold position well enough to do what I wanted with the camera. It really pissed me off. The 210 is rock stable in the air and can use two payloads so seamlessly. Maybe the only reason for me to have an I1 is to pop in the firmware that a fantastic forum member created that puts the I1 in holy shite mode and makes flying it recreationally a blast.

Sorry about the rant, I only planned on supporting the m210 comments.


1. Should we drop DJI and find another drone company that won't be under attack like TikTok? If so, what other drone makers are out there that are even close to DJIs price point? I don't think that DJI will be locked out in the end. I wish that there was an American made option, but I can't think of one that makes sense. Dragonfly in Canada had promise but I can't understand the marketing strategy. And how to you get support?
2. Does anyone make a drone that still uses the Zenmuse camera and mount? I think that you could find a small manufacturer that will but whats the point of buying DJI payloads if you are leaving the platform?
3. What are the current drone models out there, other than the DJI Inspire 3, that folks are using for terrain and vegetation mapping (fully automated flight that is reliable)? I never knew that the I3 was even a consideration as a first choice for mapping. Truth is that if your needs are just vegetation mapping, then try out an M3M. It has a great RGB camera and the spectrum's of the payload may work for you. They are 5 megapixel so pretty reasonable resolution. The camera can shoot every .7 seconds so it will map fast. The terrain following on the drone is also excellent. The cost of the M3M with extra batteries and a base station are less than a micasense camera. it is great to have the best of the best but maybe this drone would work for you. There is always fixed wing options. There are better drones but the Ebee will get the job done if you are mapping large area's. if budget is no issue, then maybe an M350 so you have payload options.
 
Maybe the only reason for me to have an I1 is to pop in the firmware that a fantastic forum member created that puts the I1 in holy shite mode and makes flying it recreationally a blast.
I need to know about this……I think I need holy shite mode. My M100 will do 45mph and that’s a blast to fly. Can you tell me more about this?

Mike
 
About 5 years ago, a forum member did some work and opened up top speed. As I recall, the I1 that I installed his firmware version did as high as about 60mph. Even though that higher speed existed, I think his efforts were more focussed on the handling of the drone. I have not thought about that file in a very long time. I’m sure a few other people still participating here know exactly the file I’m talking about. I would offer to look for it and give it to you but something like that is not mine to offer. The guy that gave it to me did a great job with it. The drone was fast and handled beautifully. The tip I can give you to finding it is the guy also did a lot of work developing additional batteries to give extreme flight times. I am a field person, always in the field. I don’t credit myself with being able to do that type of work. I think, as far as firmware goes, the most complicated effort I have made successfully was using the Charles software to be able to install older versions of firmware. Having had said all of that… I wouldn’t mind at all, sharing any of those older versions that I found because I learned by reading on this forum in great depth about what firmware versions were most solid and why. I spent the time finding those versions and I can tell you that was a time intensive feat. When I’m back at home in about 10 days, I’ll have a look if I see an inbox message from you.
 
About 5 years ago, a forum member did some work and opened up top speed. As I recall, the I1 that I installed his firmware version did as high as about 60mph. Even though that higher speed existed, I think his efforts were more focussed on the handling of the drone. I have not thought about that file in a very long time. I’m sure a few other people still participating here know exactly the file I’m talking about. I would offer to look for it and give it to you but something like that is not mine to offer. The guy that gave it to me did a great job with it. The drone was fast and handled beautifully. The tip I can give you to finding it is the guy also did a lot of work developing additional batteries to give extreme flight times. I am a field person, always in the field. I don’t credit myself with being able to do that type of work. I think, as far as firmware goes, the most complicated effort I have made successfully was using the Charles software to be able to install older versions of firmware. Having had said all of that… I wouldn’t mind at all, sharing any of those older versions that I found because I learned by reading on this forum in great depth about what firmware versions were most solid and why. I spent the time finding those versions and I can tell you that was a time intensive feat. When I’m back at home in about 10 days, I’ll have a look if I see an inbox message from you.
I would love to figure out if I can upgrade my inspire and if you have files or whatever that would be cool.
Robert.
Cheers
 
I am the proud owner of two Inspire V1 Pros. I mainly use them for geological, geomorphological, and vegetation mapping. i have a really nice NIR camera and I'm getting great imagery, with some hassles due to the use of old software. Therein lies my problem: Inspires like mine haven't been supported for a long time now. Replacement parts like props and batteries are getting pricier and pricier. My department is considering a new research-grade drone and a bunch of questions have come up. I'm wondering if y'all can answer any of them.

1. Should we drop DJI and find another drone company that won't be under attack like TikTok? If so, what other drone makers are out there that are even close to DJIs price point?
2. Does anyone make a drone that still uses the Zenmuse camera and mount?
3. What are the current drone models out there, other than the DJI Inspire 3, that folks are using for terrain and vegetation mapping (fully automated flight that is reliable)?

I'm still very much going to keep my Inspires going until they die, but it's getting to a point where I am the only person in my department can use them because they've become so finnicky.

Thanks for any help you can offer!
Tom
I just purchased a used Inspire 1. It came with a NIR camera that the owner used for treasure hunting. But he lost the calibration grid. Do you have a calibration grid? Or an extra one for sale?
 
when i got my inspire one V2 the first thing I did was hack it with a hack that i found at grey arrow i have a top speed posted in air data at 58 mph but since i had never flown it it with the dji app i didn,t know it did not go that fast normaly I don,t do anything like most of the gentlemen do with the inspire i use litchi mission for searching and have never had an issue one with it at all except the Quick attach props that might as well be made out of glassSo since i did not have at the time 300 dollars for props that i had seen I went to the old style props carbon fiber for 13,00 dollars and they just don,t hardly break and performance is any different from the others i have had to compare tooand intrestling enough it flies with the old samsung etab and has nevver not returned with all the mission footage even ater lost connection unfortunaley my tab was stole out of my car two weeks ago i haven,t had updates in 6 maybe 7 years now and inspire can fly where ever i want to go it never has seen a NFZ I will certainly miss the old days when its gone
 
Hey Tom, I totally feel you on the Inspire V1 Pro situation—it's tough when the support starts dwindling, especially with how pricey parts are getting. If you're looking to switch from DJI, Parrot’s Anafi USA and Quantum Systems’ Trinity F90+ could be options, though they can be a bit more expensive, and they don’t quite match DJI’s ecosystem. As for the Zenmuse camera, there’s not much out there that directly uses it, but companies like Yuneec have their own modular systems that might work for similar tasks. For mapping, a lot of folks use senseFly’s eBee X or Delair’s UX11—they’re solid for fully automated flights and mapping terrain and vegetation.
 

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