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Inspire 1 vs. Phantom 3 vs. 3DR solo

This is my first contribution to the forum. I think you al might be interested in my experiences, so I'll toss them into the forum.

First, I started with a Mikrokopter Octo back in 2010. Crashed it right away. Lots of reasons...but it was only a minor crash. However, a lot of things came up and I just got too busy to fix it and fly it. So I know what loosing a lot of money on one of these looks like. Next was a Phantom 2. So easy, but like many point out, the camera is not for professional use. Scaled down to 960 it looks fine, but the lack of serious camera controls means that only someone very capable will turn out nice looking clips.

Bought an Inspire 1 end of Jan. Had one of those bad 47 batteries that will show charged, but in 5 minutes drop to 47%, then to 7% and down to 1% in about 2-3 minutes! Almost took her down. I made an immediate return to robin and landed it at 1%. After recharging the battery did the same thing. However, I let it just hoover for 7 minutes so no harm done. That battery just got returned to DJI.

Whether DJI actually handles this return/replacement politely and quickly remains to be seen. However, DJI does have their PRO support section now, and calling their LA offices I was connected to a real honest-to-goodness techie within 2 minutes. Impressive!

With the NEW rulings from the FAA, at least for the next 18 months or so ONLY A TEAM OF 2 OPERATORS will be cleared to fly commercially: one PIC (pilot in control) and one AO (aircraft observer). This still puts a question mark on a 2-man team because 1 is theoretically observing the UAS (Unmanned Aerial System) craft at all times, and one—with line of sight—is flying it. Whether they'll give the AO the right to control the camera is unlikely. I already saw one authorization recipient who's appeal included a 3-man team, one was a dedicated cameraman. This means that shooting with these systems will still cost a bit, what with three people to pay. There are STILL many advantages to Near Aerial/Close Aerial filming that a standard helicopter cannot touch, and for a LOT less, but things are not looking up for the regular man-on-the-street taking up the business, as in order to get an FAA waiver the PIC needs to be a LICENSED PILOT. This rules out 95% of most people that own UASs.

The Inspire 1 has ONE PROBLEM that no one I've seen commenting has ever mentioned. It is NOT that aerodynamic. In a solid cross wind of over 10 knots the craft stays rolled over (tilting its rotors into the wind). There is a roll compensation control built into the Pilot App, but this really needs to be an automated, dynamic adjustment, if the shots are going to come out. Only by flying directly upwind, or cutting across the wind AFTER setting this roll control, could one hope for footage to work "out-of-the-box!" Circling and simultaneously filming, in higher winds will produce a tilted image. DJI needs to address this, pronto!

By comparison, the Phantom fuselage designs are able to take on winds pretty much equally from all sides, and a little tilt aside (they certainly were not perfect, nor heavy enough to stabilize themselves vertically in a good wind), they still work better moving through a cross wind while circling. Of course there is "0" roll adjustment so...there you go!

Also, one last nit-picking point. Many I1 owners like myself have seen the cold craft shutters; serious vibrations due to the slight motion go the T-Brackets and motor support rods and the less than snug fit of the internal dampener strips inside the "T" section. This does seem to go away once the craft warms up a bit, but this shaking is serious enough that I grounded my raft twice before trusting to providence (and gradual fuselage warming). This shaking is fairly bad, and might eventually loosen critical components to fixtures. DJI needs to address this with a repair instruction and strips with the proper thickness of the right material.

The Inspire 1 is not the perfect aerial video platform, but it is the best thing I've seen. Let's hope they maintain our freedom to set up our flight controls and limitations on our own. Giving too much power to DJI to tell us how high, far and at what rate these machines can travel, is a recipe for fascism. I, for one, am a responsible pilot. I can only hope that those who are idiots with these craft will get media attention for being irresponsible and NOT transfer that attention to the craft itself. Like a gun, quadcopters do not do stupid things, their owners do.

A big hello to all in the forum! --Dorian--
 
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The Inspire 1 has ONE PROBLEM that no one I've seen commenting has ever mentioned. It is NOT that aerodynamic. In a solid cross wind of over 10 knots the craft stays rolled over (tilting its rotors into the wind). There is a roll compensation control built into the Pilot App, but this really needs to be an automated, dynamic adjustment, if the shots are going to come out. Only by flying directly upwind, or cutting across the wind AFTER setting this roll control, could one hope for footage to work "out-of-the-box!" Circling and simultaneously filming, in higher winds will produce a tilted image. DJI needs to address this, pronto!

I don't really understand this statement. The inspire has a gimbal which automatically corrects for roll (and pitch and yaw). You will not see any tilt in the image. The roll adjustment in the app is so that the gimbal can be adjusted if its stabilised horizon is off by a degree or two.
 
Hi all,
Another noob to the forum.
I have had my inspire for a month now
and no problems at all.
But I have to say, reading this forum is making me nervous about my purchase.
I feel so sorry for all the people having so many issues I just hope dji gives them the support that they advertise so much.
I do think though that alot of issues are a result of poor pilot skills too. So for what it's worth, become a pilot before you buy.
 
Hmmm. I have a number of shots where the horizon is NOT level (for extended periods) in terms of ROLL. Pitch is automatic, yes. I was puzzled as well. However, the axes of the gimbal were designed for YAW (pilot control as well as various auto modes), Pitch (naturally), but not for automatic roll — at least beyond a certain point. This is why there is a ROLL control in the camera controls. Otherwise...why bother putting it there? Maybe under extreme conditions of cross-wind, or perhaps due to some glitch, this compensation does not work? I'll have to pay attention to WHEN it happens. I suppose the craft, when leveling itself before flight, might level it incorrectly if the surface the quad is sitting on is not quite level? However, as far as I know I've never leveled it on a very slanted surface.

I will have to see if I can reproduce this and then shoot some clips to the forum for comment.

And FYI (lovetofly) I am not exactly a NOOB, but these craft are never going to be utterly fool-proof. I'll get back on this.
 
Hmmm. I have a number of shots where the horizon is NOT level (for extended periods) in terms of ROLL. Pitch is automatic, yes. I was puzzled as well. However, the axes of the gimbal were designed for YAW (pilot control as well as various auto modes), Pitch (naturally), but not for automatic roll — at least beyond a certain point. This is why there is a ROLL control in the camera controls. Otherwise...why bother putting it there? Maybe under extreme conditions of cross-wind, or perhaps due to some glitch, this compensation does not work? I'll have to pay attention to WHEN it happens. I suppose the craft, when leveling itself before flight, might level it incorrectly if the surface the quad is sitting on is not quite level? However, as far as I know I've never leveled it on a very slanted surface.

I will have to see if I can reproduce this and then shoot some clips to the forum for comment.

And FYI (lovetofly) I am not exactly a NOOB, but these craft are never going to be utterly fool-proof. I'll get back on this.

incorrect. the inspire has a 3 axis stabilised gimbal. http://www.dji.com/product/inspire-1/camera

If your horizon is off, it is because the gimbal needs calibrating. If you don't believe me, pick up your inspire when on, and wag it about like a madman in the air - the picture will stay stable. If there is a global offset of a degree or two on what is considered a level horizon, then you can adjust that in the software.
 
Well, it is fine now, but has not always compensated during high winds. Go figure? I am paying attention to all of my footage now so if I see this again, as I mentioned above, I'll post something. I explained (other than the 'calibration' being off) that the only thing I could think of off-hand that might cause this was an unlevel surface when the unit starts up (and levels the camera). This may have happened a few times, however I thought I was being careful when placing it on a level surface.

One issue that MIGHT have caused us to use less than level surfaces when setting up is when the I1 switches into flight-ready mode and requires a place to put its legs down. This requires a somewhat slick (at least not rough) surface, and so that surface was the bed of a pick-up. If the truck was not totally level, then the calibration would have been off...I suppose.

The solution (at least to me) is to purchase one of the cases that has its interior configured for the I1 in landing mode — as opposed to travel mode. [GPC and TCC both make one]
 
Just thought I would contribute my 2 cents to this discussion.

I have had my Inspire for about 2 months now, and I am very impressed with the platform's stability (especially in strong winds). Apart from the known issues of the platform that have already been mentioned, I think most of the problems are software issues related to the Pilot App.

The Pilot App has a lot of good features and in the most part, is well designed. However it's still very buggy and the User Center is extremely limited - something that should be easy to fix with future updates (hopefully sooner rather than later).

I think its important to remember that the Inspire has the potential to be used for many other tasks, beyond just taking pretty pictures and photos. Personally I bought it with the hope of using it for aerial survey's and other similar task, where a level of automation would be very useful. It does annoy me though that the P2 has a much more sophisticated ground station in terms of waypoint flying and point of interest functions. I thought for more than double the cost, these features would have been integrated in the Inspire from the start - no such luck. Looking at the last few pages of the most recent User Manual, it does seem to suggest that IOC and POI functions may be added soon, and I have all my fingers crossed this will happen. More options/functionality is always a good thing!

When I saw the the 3D Robots Solo I was very jealous of the types of automated flight it can do. I can't comment on how it will handle in flight, but I doubt it will be as steady as the I1. But potentially it could pose serious competition for the P3 and maybe even the inspire. However, all DJI need to do its add these features to both the P3 and I1 and they will not loose any customers.

Having just passed the ground school for commercial use of drones in the UK, I can comment on the regulations over here. Although single pilots are allowed, the pilot must maintain VLOS (Visual Line of Sight) at all times, with a maximum of 500m distance and 400ft in height. This means staring at the video feed the whole time is not allowed. Having the second controller and camera operator solves this issue and for that reason, anyone looking to use drones commercially should seriously consider the I1, S9000 and above.

Please DJI, just sort your s**t out and you will keep your customers much happier.
 
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Consider yourself lucky! Here in the land of rapidly shrinking freedoms, the FAA "exemptions (under article 333) demand that both the PIC (pilot in command) AND a second observer, keep their eyes on any wavered UAS (Unmanned Aerial System). Hence, if you break this down to the legality of it, there must really be 3 people flying these things to fulfill the measure of these restrictions. The second observer is ONLY that, and I am sure, if push comes to shove, the FAA will ground/prosecute those whom it feels do not strictly follow these guidelines.

At least one applicant who secured a waiver listed 3 personnel, one on camera, including his I1 in the bargain.

At that rate the once inexpensive possibilities of New Aerial shooting are negated (to some degree) by the expense of having — literally — a ground crew. What are these, space shuttles? These are (ours at any rate) not much more than plastic toys, albeit 6+lb ones. The point is, we'll have to wait and see in the U.S. how stringently the FAA holds operators to the letter of the law. They seem able to prosecute a couple of cases and everyone runs scared. So much for the country that dumped the King's Tea in the harbor?!

Who can afford to screw with a hegemony, when that hegemony owns its own brute squad?

Sigh...
 
Consider yourself lucky! Here in the land of rapidly shrinking freedoms, the FAA "exemptions (under article 333) demand that both the PIC (pilot in command) AND a second observer, keep their eyes on any wavered UAS (Unmanned Aerial System). Hence, if you break this down to the legality of it, there must really be 3 people flying these things to fulfill the measure of these restrictions. The second observer is ONLY that, and I am sure, if push comes to shove, the FAA will ground/prosecute those whom it feels do not strictly follow these guidelines.

At least one applicant who secured a waiver listed 3 personnel, one on camera, including his I1 in the bargain.

At that rate the once inexpensive possibilities of New Aerial shooting are negated (to some degree) by the expense of having — literally — a ground crew. What are these, space shuttles? These are (ours at any rate) not much more than plastic toys, albeit 6+lb ones. The point is, we'll have to wait and see in the U.S. how stringently the FAA holds operators to the letter of the law. They seem able to prosecute a couple of cases and everyone runs scared. So much for the country that dumped the King's Tea in the harbor?!

Who can afford to screw with a hegemony, when that hegemony owns its own brute squad?

Sigh...

Yeah I can see how the FAA regulations must be a pain. However, to keep a good reputation of remote pilots with the general public these systems need to be in place. From my point of view, the FAA are just taking more of a 'belt and braces' approach which is slightly stricter that the CAA in the UK. CAA in the UK have been actually very willing to co-operate with this rapidly growing industry and simply want remote pilots up the same standard as any other people using the airspace.

Lets not take this thread too much off topic though!
 
Well...you think? It is a known fact that there are TWO POWERFUL lobbying bodies out there: the Pilot's and Film Industry Unions. This tech threatens both. Reading up on the FAAs exemptions (under the new article 333) VERY few exemptions are being granted for CLOSED SET shooting. Hmmm...who might this be a threat to? Highly paid specialists who pay massive Union dues. So much for the old idea of a FREE MARKET, hmm?
 
Moleyb, the Solo hasn't done anything, yet. It's all promises at this point. I have yet to see anything competing with the Inspire 1 that has made me jealous.

It's been said many time on this forum, if anyone sees anything they think is superior to the Inspire, then sell it and buy the _______________ (fill in the blank). Don't worry. Be happy.
 
I just flew the first Phantom 3 in South Africa for a demo session, flies great and the camera is also decent. Guest were impressed, a few preorders already been made! Although i still love my Inspire there is definitely a market for the Phantom 3. Today proved it for me. I can't comment on the other aircraft as i have only ever flown DJI. :)
 
One a thing that I haven't seen discussed much yet is the lack of information on the Phantom 3's camera gimbal. On the P2+ this is considered to the be the Achilles heel for the platform. If you land hard (which will happen) there is a risk in breaking the ribbon and I don't see that changing on the P3. The Inspire appears to have everything integrated so that it is not exposed and the Solo has the GoPro of course.
This is one serious consideration that I am taking into account for my next platform given that I suffered the ribbon break on my P2 and had to get that addressed.
On the other hand though it would appear that the P3 has butchered the Inspire line right now. The big draw aside from dual camera operators was also Lightbridge. Now this technology is in the P3 platform (not sure if it's the same as the Inspire) which has eroded paying upwards of $4000 CA for the Inspire platform. It's very difficult to identify just where DJI is going with the Inspire platform since their focus seems to be on the Phantom series. This makes it really hard as a consumer to identify what direction to go.

Trying to determine which one to get next is painful since I do need a better platform. I am inclining towards the Inspire given it's capabilities but the P3 is frustrating to understand from that POV.

- Nick
 
A new pilot here. I1 is my first drone. But i've seen some phantom 2 on site before.

Anyhow. Anyone owning both of them noticed any differences in strong wind? The I1 is a bit more stable from what i can see.

Considering the p3 as a back up. But yeah.
 
One a thing that I haven't seen discussed much yet is the lack of information on the Phantom 3's camera gimbal. On the P2+ this is considered to the be the Achilles heel for the platform. If you land hard (which will happen) there is a risk in breaking the ribbon and I don't see that changing on the P3. The Inspire appears to have everything integrated so that it is not exposed and the Solo has the GoPro of course.
This is one serious consideration that I am taking into account for my next platform given that I suffered the ribbon break on my P2 and had to get that addressed.
On the other hand though it would appear that the P3 has butchered the Inspire line right now. The big draw aside from dual camera operators was also Lightbridge. Now this technology is in the P3 platform (not sure if it's the same as the Inspire) which has eroded paying upwards of $4000 CA for the Inspire platform. It's very difficult to identify just where DJI is going with the Inspire platform since their focus seems to be on the Phantom series. This makes it really hard as a consumer to identify what direction to go.

Trying to determine which one to get next is painful since I do need a better platform. I am inclining towards the Inspire given it's capabilities but the P3 is frustrating to understand from that POV.

- Nick

Have you seen how close the gimbal is to the ground on the solo? Unless taking off or landing on perfectly flat surfaces, I see major issues. Let's not even talk about those "hard landings".


Only time will tell where the solo stands. I wish them best, competition drives innovation.
 
They are newer products to consider ...
I bought the Cheerson Mini CX-10 as my 1st just to try out ... then the Hubsan H107D ... then the Phantom Vision 2+ ... The Mariner ... Inspire 1 ... now thinking about DIY the New Avenger Giant Air Craft quad carrier ... saw some hobbyist did in youtube.

With Homing, sefie feature ... some even water proofed ... do some search

Hexo+
Plexidrone
Air-Dog
FPVfactory - Mariner or Splash Quad ...

Cheaper ones,
Walkera Scout
Syma
Hudsan
Cheerson
etc.
 

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